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How is the St Venant Equation Solved for in the Dynamic Wave Solution of SWMM 5?

Subject:   How is the St Venant Equation Solved for in the Dynamic Wave Solution of SWMM 5? An explanation of the four St. Venant Terms in SWMM 5 and how they change for Gravity Mains and Force Mains. The HGL is the water surface elevation in the upstream and downstream nodes of the link. The HGL for a full link goes from the pipe crown elevation up to the rim elevation of the node + the surcharge depth of the node.  The four terms are: dq2 = Time Step * Awtd * (Head Downstream – Head Upstream)…See More
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Blog Post: The four cross sectional areas in a link of SWMM 5

Note: Four cross sectional areas are used in a link of SWMM 5. The weighted hydraulic radius…

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Blog Post: Q full vs Q dynamic vs Q normal
1. It gets more flow than qFull because the water in the pipe has more than…
Added by Robert Dickinson at 10:33am on March 27, 2009
Comment on: Blog Post 'What are the Units for the five St. Venant Flow Terms in...
rved, (2) water flows downhill, (3) water slows down as the stream widens, (4) water has to overcome friction loss from the sides and bottom of the stream, (5) water slows down if there are obstructions in the stream or there are form losses such as bend, contraction and expansion losses. …
Added by Robert Dickinson at 3:29pm on January 5, 2011
Note: Dynamic Wave Slider
Purpose:  The purpose of this note is to explain a potentially significant dynamic wave routing difference between EPA SWMM 5.0.013 and EPA SWMM 5.0.011 and before.  The new solution is an improvment…
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Blog Post: Hysteresis Effect in the Link Flow versus Depth Relationship in SWMM 5

Subject: Hysteresis Effect in the Link Flow versus Depth Relationship in SWMM 5

 

You can often get a hysteresis effect for the Flow versus…

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Blog Post: What are the Units for the five St. Venant Flow Terms in SWMM 5 and...

Subject: What are the Units for the five St. Venant Flow Terms in SWMM 5 and InfoSWMM?

 

The new flow (Q) calculated at during each iteration…

Added by Robert Dickinson at 12:03pm on December 5, 2010
Blog Post: St. Venant Terms in SWMM 5

Note: An explanation of the four St. Venant Terms in SWMM 5 and how they change for Force Mains. The HGL is the water…

Added by Robert Dickinson at 4:22pm on October 15, 2010
Blog Post: Non Linear Term in the Saint Venant Equation of SWMM 5

Non Linear Term in the Saint Venant Equation of …

Added by Robert Dickinson at 10:10am on January 20, 2010
Topic: SWMM Hydraulic modelling
Hi,Does anyone have the mathematical explanation for solving St. Venant Equations in SWMM?I was able to find the SWMM Runoff Algorithm but couldn't the Dynamic wave routing. Thanks a lot. Upaka
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Blog Post: The Three Flows in SWMM 5 for a Link

The Three Flows in SWMM 5 for a Link

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Note: Q full vs Q dynamic vs Q normal
1. It gets more flow than qFull because the water in the pipe has more than just the bed slope to push it - it also has the water surface slope. There is about a 5 meter head pushing the water out if…
Added by Robert Dickinson at 10:35am on March 27, 2009
Topic: Hydraulics Of SWMM5
ogram will calculate the cross sectional area, hydraulic radius top width and depth at the upstream, midpoint and downstream sections of the link. The link solution is pivoted on the midpoint cross sectional area in the dominant dynamic wave terms and and the non-linear term in the dynamic wave equation uses the upstream and downstream link cross sectional areas. In the finite difference equation in SWMM 5 the pipe shown below would have one length but use the cross sectional information from the upstream, midpoint and downstream points of the link. The bend in the pipe would be modeled using the "other" category of losses …
Added by Robert Dickinson to Hydraulics at 3:58pm on December 27, 2008
Blog Post: Defining Normal Flow in SWMM 5
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Added by Robert Dickinson at 8:41am on December 28, 2010
Note: Spatial Step
SWMM 3,4,5 uses a spatial step equal to the length of the link. Or, in terms of the 1D St. Venant Equation for the calculation of flow used in SWMM 5: In which is the length of the conduit. The p…
Added by Robert Dickinson at 1:15pm on July 2, 2008
Blog Post: Three Depths in A Link in SWMM 5

Note: An explanation of the three depths in a Link in SWMM 5 and a plot of the upstream, middle and downstream link…

Added by Robert Dickinson at 7:02pm on October 1, 2010
Topic: Dynamic Wave A and R calculation slider in SWMM 5.0.013
previous solution(s) would use only the midpoint area (Amid) and hydraulic radius (Rmid) in the dynamic wave solution.  The new solution will use a slider or linear combination of the midpoint area (Amid) and hydraulic radius (Rmid) and the upstream cross sectional area (A1) and hydraulic radius (R1).  The slider is based on the Froude number in the link.  The change involves the A and R link spacing in the two dominant terms of the St. Venant Equation: The new method is a linear combination or slider that weights the value of A and R in the St. Venant Equation based on the value of rho (), or where, Rho () is a function of the Froude number.   The effect of this addition is that as the Froude number increases from 0.5 to 1.0 and beyond the area and hydraulic radius used as the pivot point in the St. Venant equation moves from  the midpoint of the link to the upstream end of the link.  When the Froude number is above 1.0 the St. Venant and Normal Flow equation both use the same cross sectional area and hydraulic radius which makes for a more stable model.Just for reference, the equation for Qnorm or the Manning's Equation flow is The equations for the calculation of  Rho () as a function of the Froude Number (Fr) are: If ALL of the follow conditions are true Rho () is calculated: the pipe is not full, h1 >= h2, and qLast > 0. where,h1 is the head at the upstream end of the link,h2 is the head at the downstream end of the link andqLast is the last flow value in the link.  If any of these conditions are true then rho = 1.0 and the value of A and R are the values Amid and Rmid, respectively.The next graph shows the relationship between Rho and the Froude Number. The value of Awtd and Rwtd move from the midpoint of the link to the upstream end of the link as the Froude number increases from 0.5 to 1.0.     Conclusion: This change should make the solution more stable because there is no longer an oscillation between the St. Venant Equation A and R and the Normal Flow Equation A and R.…
Added by Hydraulics at 7:50pm on April 20, 2008
Note: Non Linear Term in the Saint Venant Equation of SWMM 5
Non Linear Term in the Saint Venant Equation of SWMM 5 The flow equation has six components that have to be in balance at each time step:  1.  The unsteady flow term or dQ/dt 2.   The friction loss…
Added by Robert Dickinson at 10:08am on January 20, 2010
Blog Post: SWMM 5 Iterations
These three graphs show how the number of iterations to solve the St. Venant equation in …
Added by Robert Dickinson at 9:27pm on February 27, 2010
Note: Automatic Weighting
Purpose:  The purpose of this note is to explain a significant dynamic wave routing difference between EPA SWMM 5.0.013 and EPA SWMM 5.0.011 and before.   A few people have detected a difference.  Th…
Added by Robert Dickinson at 10:07am on June 7, 2008

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Hi, I am new here.  I would like to know which method SWMM uses to solve the Saint-Venant and Kinematic wave Equations.  Might be a stupid question, but I have only found out yet, that it is some explicit finite difference method. Can anybody tell, which one? Many thanks ...

I Jens, we use an iterative solution to the 1D St Venant equation with underrelaxation.
Many thanks for the fast reply!!! I will take a look at the blogs.

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